ridiculous search results

Re: Links ph calculations

"Borek" wrote in message
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>
> All other links find by google are to the pages that have some relevant
> context ON the page, with information about how to calculate pH in such,
> such and such cases - and that's what I expected. I thought - up to now -
> that page content is important. That's what is emphasised on
>

Content is important, the content is in the site as a whole. Look at the
whole little slide demonstration as a sub domain of the main. This part of
the site is about ph calculation. Surely, you don't think that all pages
have to have loads of text content on it in a site do you? When you look at
all of it together you can see that yes, it has content regarding your
search.

Stacey

Re: Links ph calculations

"Stacey" skrev i meddelandet
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> "Borek" wrote in message
> news:op.srawkgn4584cds@borek...
>
>
>[color=green]
> >
> > All other links find by google are to the pages that have some relevant
> > context ON the page, with information about how to calculate pH in such,
> > such and such cases - and that's what I expected. I thought - up to[/color]
now -[color=green]
> > that page content is important. That's what is emphasised on
> >
>
> Content is important, the content is in the site as a whole. Look at the
> whole little slide demonstration as a sub domain of the main. This part of
> the site is about ph calculation. Surely, you don't think that all pages
> have to have loads of text content on it in a site do you? When you look[/color]
at
> all of it together you can see that yes, it has content regarding your
> search.
>
> Stacey

How do you explain this?
The following page
is ranked on the second place at www.altavista.it
and www.yahoo.it

for "la Svezia"
http://it.altavista.com/web/results?itag=ody&q=la+Svezia&kgs=0&kls=0
http://it.search.yahoo.com/search?fr=fp-pull-web-tp=&p=la%20Svezia&meta=vl=&fr=fp-tab-web-t-1&ei=ISO-8859-1
Those who understand Italian can see how much content they find on that page
about Sweden.
Now, please have a look at www.google.it and search the same terms. Please
compare the results and the content of the sites.
I am under the impression that Altavista and Yahoo take more care about the
content
as Google does.

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Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/boende-i-italien.php

Re: Links ph calculations

"Luigi Donatello Asero" skrev i meddelandet
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>
> "Stacey" skrev i meddelandet
> news:7MPke.111$rb6.88@lakeread07...[color=green]
> > "Borek" wrote in message
> > news:op.srawkgn4584cds@borek...
> >
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> > >
> > > All other links find by google are to the pages that have some[/color][/color]
relevant[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > context ON the page, with information about how to calculate pH in[/color][/color]
such,[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > such and such cases - and that's what I expected. I thought - up to[/color]
> now -[color=darkred]
> > > that page content is important. That's what is emphasised on
> > >
> >
> > Content is important, the content is in the site as a whole. Look at the
> > whole little slide demonstration as a sub domain of the main. This part[/color][/color]
of[color=green]
> > the site is about ph calculation. Surely, you don't think that all pages
> > have to have loads of text content on it in a site do you? When you look
> at
> > all of it together you can see that yes, it has content regarding your
> > search.
> >
> > Stacey
>
> How do you explain this?[/color]

The following page

https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/svezia.html

is ranked on the second place at www.altavista.it
and www.yahoo.it

for "la Svezia"
http://it.altavista.com/web/results?itag=ody&q=la+Svezia&kgs=0&kls=0

http://it.search.yahoo.com/search?fr=fp-pull-web-tp=&p=la%20Svezia&meta=vl=&fr=fp-tab-web-t-1&ei=ISO-8859-1
Those who understand Italian can see how much content they find on that
page
about Sweden.
Now, please have a look at www.google.it and search the same terms. Please
compare the results and the content of the sites.
I am under the impression that Altavista and Yahoo take more care about the
content
as Google does.

--
Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/boende-i-italien.php

Re: Links ph calculations

On Wed, 25 May 2005 02:28:56 +0200, Stacey
wrote:

> Also, like I had pointed out that the main page has a PR of 8. This play
> a great deal in the ranking of course.:-)

I posted the question before, but nodbody commented so I will try once
again:

How does the PR of main page
(or a domain) translate to subpages? It seems to me that PR is calculated
for every page independently so the fact that nd.edu is 8 doesn't mean
anything for nd.edu/blah/blah/blah/cuckoo - ie anything other that link
from nd.edu to ////cuckoo will be more valuable from other links.
Or am I wrong and the fact that ////cuckoo is in the nd.edu domain
moves its PR up?

Best,
Borek
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Re: Links ph calculations

"Borek" skrev i meddelandet
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> On Wed, 25 May 2005 02:28:56 +0200, Stacey
> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Also, like I had pointed out that the main page has a PR of 8. This play
> > a great deal in the ranking of course.:-)
>
> I posted the question before, but nodbody commented so I will try once
> again:
>
> How does the PR of main page
> (or a domain) translate to subpages? It seems to me that PR is calculated
> for every page independently so the fact that nd.edu is 8 doesn't mean
> anything for nd.edu/blah/blah/blah/cuckoo - ie anything other that link
> from nd.edu to ////cuckoo will be more valuable from other links.
> Or am I wrong and the fact that ////cuckoo is in the nd.edu domain
> moves its PR up?
>
> Best,
> Borek[/color]

I think that the Page Rank is based upon the rank of the page in question
but this depends indirectly by the page rank of the pages it is linked from.
So, if a page receives a link from so to say a "bad page", its page rank
gets worse.

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Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/boende-i-italien.php

Re: ridiculous search results

On Tue, 24 May 2005 17:54:01 +0200, Borek
wrote:

>On Tue, 24 May 2005 17:26:07 +0200, SEO Dave
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> It's title is spot on and the content (what little there is) says PH
>> Calculation.
>> You can learn from this page. Low PR, few links, little content but it
>> has that SERP. Why?
>
>> Do you feel that page doesn't deserve to be in the top 5 and if so
>> why?
>
>Because contrary to what you have wrote - there is NO CONTENT on this
>page. There is only a picture. If you don't display a picture (which is not
>described, so google doesn't know what it contains) all is left are
>alt texts for the navigation buttons. I didn't realised up to now but
>even the text

pH calculation

and the other phrase are commented
>out so probably not indexed by google.[/color]

I didn't spot the comment area with my original code check, so to
correct my last post it's the title and any relevant anchor text
that's most likely resulted in this SERP.

>If the page that has no content, only keywords, title and links can
>be so high, google is pretty easy to be tricked.

Not really since the title is considered the most important part of on
page optimization. Off page it's anchor text, if the few links to it
say PH Calculation it's not surprising it's top 5 for such an easy
SERP.

Without looking I'd say it's 90%+ the title that did it.

>As you pointed out - it is obvious what to do in the near future.

You should be able to beat that page.

>Best,
>Borek

David
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Re: Links ph calculations

On Wed, 25 May 2005 03:02:30 +0200, Borek
wrote:

>On Wed, 25 May 2005 02:28:56 +0200, Stacey
>wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Also, like I had pointed out that the main page has a PR of 8. This play
>> a great deal in the ranking of course.:-)
>
>I posted the question before, but nodbody commented so I will try once
>again:
>
>How does the PR of main page[/color]

It gives everything under that domain credibility or trustworthiness.
If you run a lot of SEO tests on many sites you will find pages added
to an old (many years old) existing site with reasonable PR (PR6+)
will tend to do better than adding a similar page to a new (months
old) site with the same PR (getting to PR6 in months isn't that hard).

The theory is if a sites been online sometime and has gained a lot of
links (over years, not 'overnight' as can be achieved with a little
cash for links) it's probably going to have good trustworthy content.
Like when you view a forum, the posters with most posts tend to post
the best stuff and don't need moderation.

So even though this page is just PR2 the fact it's on a old site with
a lot of links might (if the theory is correct) be given what might be
called a trustworthiness boost because of where it is located.

You can try this yourself with ISP free home pages of the sort that
have the format-

www.example.com/username/

The sub domain ones (username.example.com/) seem not to be treated
this way, they are like registering a new domain in my experience.

There's also people who believe University (.edu) domains are also
given a boost for similar reasons (more likely to be good content).
Since I no longer attend Uni I've had no way to test this myself, so
no idea if it's true or not.

Since this is a dead easy SERP I don't think you even need to worry
about this though as a big factor. If it is part of the reason why
this page is doing well a few good links and better optimized content
should easily tip the scales in your favour.

>(or a domain) translate to subpages? It seems to me that PR is calculated
>for every page independently so the fact that nd.edu is 8 doesn't mean
>anything for nd.edu/blah/blah/blah/cuckoo - ie anything other that link
> from nd.edu to ////cuckoo will be more valuable from other links.
>Or am I wrong and the fact that ////cuckoo is in the nd.edu domain
>moves its PR up?

Remember there's more to ranking than PR. If it was as simple as
adding some keyword rich content to a page and add enough links to it
with the right anchor text anyone could get any SERP if they have the
resources to get enough links. Since in my experience most SERPs have
pages below PR6 in the top 10 almost all SERPs would be obtainable
this way.

Clearly it's not this easy, so there is much more to ranking well than
the right keyword rich content and more links with the right anchor
text than your competitors sites have. Don't get me wrong the above
are very important, but there's more to it.

This is where the location of the page, the location of the links and
similar factors come into play. Basically the factors that are much
more difficult to manipulate. You can't put your page on the same
domain as the current top page for a SERP and you can't easily get the
same links to your page either.

>Best,
>Borek

David
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Re: Links ph calculations

"SEO Dave" skrev i
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> On Wed, 25 May 2005 03:02:30 +0200, Borek
> wrote:[color=green]
> >How does the PR of main page
>
> It gives everything under that domain credibility or trustworthiness.[/color]

So, why give a worse rank to websites with https protocol?

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Re: search results

"Borek" wrote in message
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> On Wed, 25 May 2005 02:28:56 +0200, Stacey
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Also, like I had pointed out that the main page has a PR of 8. This play
>> a great deal in the ranking of course.:-)
>
> I posted the question before, but nodbody commented so I will try once
> again:
>
> How does the PR of main page
> (or a domain) translate to subpages? It seems to me that PR is calculated
> for every page independently so the fact that nd.edu is 8 doesn't mean
> anything for nd.edu/blah/blah/blah/cuckoo - ie anything other that link
> from nd.edu to ////cuckoo will be more valuable from other links.
> Or am I wrong and the fact that ////cuckoo is in the nd.edu domain
> moves its PR up?
>[/color]

Sorry, Borek I missed that.

PR is calculated from page to page. Now, since that page came from the main
page either indirectly(from other pages stemming from the main page) or
directly(a direct link from the main page). Any page that is part of the
domain is somehow gaining the benefit of the PR 8 home page. Another reason
is that the site as a whole has gained popularity as far as being an aged
site.

Now, if you go to the main index of the presentation that has the one page
that is in question http://www.nd.edu/~mjm/EG112_module4_lect3/index.htm .
Here you see all that of course there are links that lead to that one page
with the direct keyword phrase(anchor text links).

Now start going back and you can see the professors main
page- http://www.nd.edu/~mjm/ . Notice that this page has a PR of 5. And if
you look at the navigation of the main site that the PR flows through giving
each PR.

Freebie sites like geocites, tripod, angelfire have the advantage of the
main domain and it's PR...but lose when the site is not matched up with
similar sites. I have seen the effect that if your site doesn't relate to
your similar sites well enough this can hurt your rankings. So, it is always
best to have your own domain.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-04,GGLD:en&q=related:www.angelfire.com/il2/ruglady/

Of course it will help the main domain as the site as a whole is growing and
gaining PR to those pages from outer sources and finally helping the main
domain. Yep, the freebie sites of course have a link back to the main page.

I can put up a new page and my pages will have an advantage over a new
site's pages. One reason is I have gained PR and popularity in the index.
This is also some of the reasons that a PR1 or PR0 page can beat PR 4, 5's
etc. Those lesser PR pages are stemming from higher PR pages or higher PR
sites. And also, those pages usually are backed up by other relevant pages
in the total site.

When looking at a page showing up in a SERP, you need to look at the SERP
first. Is hard or easy. Second, you need to look at the site that the page
belongs to. Is the site also relevant to the search in general or has other
pages that does? As the bot crawls all the pages it can see similarities
with other pages going to the one page it will choose. This can be one of
the 100 factors in choosing the pages for the SERP. There are of course more
factors.:-) Third how about the title? Last look at the page.

Stacey

Re: Links ph calculations

"Luigi Donatello Asero" wrote in message
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>
> "SEO Dave" skrev i
> meddelandet news:p5n791l1tvgr0c1uqj6q4kul7a72iiq28m@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Wed, 25 May 2005 03:02:30 +0200, Borek
>> wrote:[color=darkred]
>> >How does the PR of main page
>>
>> It gives everything under that domain credibility or trustworthiness.[/color]
>
>
>
> So, why give a worse rank to websites with https protocol?[/color]

???

Re: Links ph calculations

"Luigi Donatello Asero" wrote in message
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>

>
> I think that the Page Rank is based upon the rank of the page in question
> but this depends indirectly by the page rank of the pages it is linked
> from.
> So, if a page receives a link from so to say a "bad page", its page rank
> gets worse.

The ranking of a page and PageRank are 2 different things. One is the SERP,
where a page is positioned and the other is votes made to a page via links
from other pages. Linking to a bad page is not good. There isn't much a
person can do if the link is going to your page from a banned/bad
neighborhood site.

Stacey

Re: Links ph calculations

On Wed, 25 May 2005 02:14:18 GMT, "Luigi Donatello Asero"
wrote:

>
>"SEO Dave" skrev i
>meddelandet news:p5n791l1tvgr0c1uqj6q4kul7a72iiq28m@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Wed, 25 May 2005 03:02:30 +0200, Borek
>> wrote:[color=darkred]
>> >How does the PR of main page
>>
>> It gives everything under that domain credibility or trustworthiness.[/color]
>
>
>
>So, why give a worse rank to websites with https protocol?[/color]

I already gave my opinion on that question and so have others.

David
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Re: Search Results

"Luigi Donatello Asero" wrote in message
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>
> How do you explain this?
> The following page
> is ranked on the second place at www.altavista.it
> and www.yahoo.it

Yahoo, Alta Vista, and AlltheWeb are the same as they are all owned by
Yahoo.

> for "la Svezia"
> http://it.altavista.com/web/results?itag=ody&q=la+Svezia&kgs=0&kls=0
> http://it.search.yahoo.com/search?fr=fp-pull-web-tp=&p=la%20Svezia&meta=vl=&fr=fp-tab-web-t-1&ei=ISO-8859-1
> Those who understand Italian can see how much content they find on that
> page
> about Sweden.
> Now, please have a look at www.google.it and search the same terms.
> Please
> compare the results and the content of the sites.
> I am under the impression that Altavista and Yahoo take more care about
> the
> content
> as Google does.

The results look fine at Google. The look relevant to me. Each 2nd place
spot is relevant. In fact the 1st spot in Yahoo is 2nd in Google. Google is
a totally different SE. Plus, it is to easy to spam Yahoo from the results I
have seen lately! MSN is a different SE also compare to the rest.

Stacey

Re: ridiculous search results

"Borek" wrote in message
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> You asked? Sorry, weird things happen to my news feed. I don't see
> any posts from John Bokma, I know about his existence only thanks
> to quotes. I haven't seen you asking, so probably I am missing more posts.
> The answer is - yes.

Borek,

Just tried to send you some email through your contact on your site and it
got sent back stating it looked like spam. 🙂

Stacey

Re: ridiculous search results

Stacey wrote:

> Just tried to send you some email through your contact on your site
> and it got sent back stating it looked like spam. 🙂

Maybe you should trust what it just told you 😉

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