ridiculous search results

Re: Links ph calculations

On Tue, 24 May 2005 23:18:42 +0200, davidof
wrote:

> Your example is not very good I'm afraid. You typed in pH calculation
> and got a slide, albeit an image, with a pH calculation, however Google
> ranked that page it was a good SERP. What do you want? A link to
> ebay.com with ph Calculators?

No, I doubt there are any pH calculators on eBay 😉

All other links find by google are to the pages that have some relevant
context ON the page, with information about how to calculate pH in such,
such and such cases - and that's what I expected. I thought - up to now -
that page content is important. That's what is emphasised on

http://www.google.com/intl/en/webmasters/guidelines.html

which in short tells 'don't try to trick us, put good content on the page'.
Yet the page without content is ranked high. Seems to me now that external
links to the page that has no content itself are enough. And - while I have
just learned something new - it doesn't change my opinion that it makes
no sense.

Best,
Borek
--
http://www.chembuddy.com - chemical calculators for labs and education
BATE - Base Acid Titration and Equilibria
program for pH calculations
CASC - Concentration and Solution Calculator
program for solution preparation and concentration conversions

Re: Links ph calculations

"Borek" skrev i meddelandet
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> On Tue, 24 May 2005 23:18:42 +0200, davidof
> wrote:
> All other links find by google are to the pages that have some relevant
> context ON the page, with information about how to calculate pH in such,
> such and such cases - and that's what I expected. I thought - up to now -
> that page content is important. That's what is emphasised on
>
> http://www.google.com/intl/en/webmasters/guidelines.html
>
> which in short tells 'don't try to trick us, put good content on the
page'.
> Yet the page without content is ranked high. Seems to me now that external
> links to the page that has no content itself are enough. And - while I
have
> just learned something new - it doesn't change my opinion that it makes
> no sense.

I share your opinion.

--
Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/svezia.html

Re: ridiculous search results

On Tue, 24 May 2005 22:25:43 +0200, Fritz M wrote:
[color=green]
>> As I stated before - I am working on it, but google is not too efficient
>> in indexing forums I am writing on 🙁
>
> I think many of the inbound links to chembuddy are from chemistry
> forums, aren't they?[/color]

Not all, but many.

> Does Google give lower weight to links in forums (even those that don't
> use the nofollow convention) because of comment spam?

Good question. As for now all I know is that these links are getting
indexed pretty slow and only some of them count - about 3% I would say.
So it seems that my idea of getting links this way is less efficient
then expected.

Best,
Borek
--
http://www.chembuddy.com - chemical calculators for labs and education
BATE - Base Acid Titration and Equilibria
program for pH calculations
CASC - Concentration and Solution Calculator
program for solution preparation and concentration conversions

Re: Links ph calculations

Borek wrote:

> which in short tells 'don't try to trick us, put good content on the page'.

Well, let's see how highly this page ranks after it gets crawled.

http://sky.prohosting.com/masoner/

RFM

Re: Links ph calculations

On Wed, 25 May 2005 00:49:21 +0200, Fritz M wrote:
[color=green]
>> which in short tells 'don't try to trick us, put good content on the
>> page'.
>
> Well, let's see how highly this page ranks after it gets crawled.[/color]

Hopefully not too high, someone mey believe it is true 🙂

That's the kind of page that I would expect may rank high if
supported by external links. But I am still in SEO kindergarten.

Best,
Borek
--
http://www.chembuddy.com - chemical calculators for labs and education
BATE - Base Acid Titration and Equilibria
program for pH calculations
CASC - Concentration and Solution Calculator
program for solution preparation and concentration conversions

Re: ridiculous search results

"Fritz M" wrote in message
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> Stacey wrote:
>[color=green]
>> A page doesn't need to have
>> the phrase or keywords listed on a page. A page can become relevant
> through
>> links to it. Look up Google bombing.
>
> I don't see any evidence of Googlebombing or other inbound links to
> that page.[/color]

The main domain "www.nd.edu" has plenty of links. Also, it doesn't change
what I said. A page does not have to have the phrase on it. The Notra Dame
main page has a PR of 8 and a lot of links. Just because you didn't see any
backlinks doesn't mean there isn't any. I am not going to look through all
of the links to see if that page has links to it with proper anchor text.

> I guess the implicit question from Borek is why his pH calculation page
> at chembuddy.com with PR3 and at least 27 inbound links isn't until
> page 9 of SERPs on Google, being listed much lower than a zero-content
> PR2 page with zero inbound links listed.

Ahh, but PR of 2 may not be the real PR as I just said the main page has a
PR of 8. 🙂 The page in question for ph calculation can be new and
backlinks will not show up for it, and any new page that is put up will gain
high position in the rankings because of that.

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:LGp2Ifqzk5MJ:www.nd.edu/~mjm/EG112_module4_lect3/sld018.htm+pH+calculation&hl=en .

Since, no one cared to look at the cached page Google(I just gave a reason
why a page can be in Google without any content stating the phrase) they
would have found that yes indeed the phrase ph calculation is on the page at
the time Google passed by. Keep in mind that the Notre Dame site has been
around for a long while the internet archive has it back to 1996. Meaning
they will have a good stronghold in the index. Borek's site is new and it
can be while for good SERPs.

Stacey

Re: ridiculous search results

"Stacey" wrote in message
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> "Fritz M" wrote in message
> news:1116903647.463021.44920@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
>> Stacey wrote:[/color]

>
> http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:LGp2Ifqzk5MJ:www.nd.edu/~mjm/EG112_module4_lect3/sld018.htm+pH+calculation&hl=en .
>

OK, that is just an image. But of course all these slides anchor text in the
links because this image is about ph calculation.:-) Google states in the
cache that it has links pointing to it.

Stacey

Re: Links ph calculations

On Wed, 25 May 2005 00:25:18 +0200, Borek
wrote:

>All other links find by google are to the pages that have some relevant
>context ON the page, with information about how to calculate pH in such,
>such and such cases - and that's what I expected. I thought - up to now -
>that page content is important. That's what is emphasised on

If I read this correctly you are saying the other 9 pages found in the
top 10 are what you'd like to see?

If so don't you think 9 out of 10 is a good result considering how
many webmasters are out there creating spammy contentless sites (I'm
thinking the directory/search result type sites that are used for
advertising revenue)?

You'll discover the importance of PageRank (PR) and anchor text if you
hang out around here long enough. you don't need content to do well
(it helps though). Look up the Miserable Failure Googlebomb if you
aren't convinced.

David
--
Free Search Engine Optimization Tutorial
http://www.seo-gold.com/tutorial/

Re: ridiculous search results

On Tue, 24 May 2005 05:00:47 +0200, Fritz M wrote:

> I guess the implicit question from Borek is why his pH calculation page
> at chembuddy.com with PR3 and at least 27 inbound links isn't until
> page 9 of SERPs on Google, being listed much lower than a zero-content
> PR2 page with zero inbound links listed.

That's at the bottom of my presence here, but as Stacey pointed out
my page is relatively new, has low page rank and I lost a lot of
time not knowing that on-page optimizations can give immediate
results. So why I am far from the top is not a question - yet 🙂

Right now I am trying to learn something comparing pages with high
rank to my pages. And while I have no problems understanding other
pages - higher PR, more relevant stuff, higher percentage of
keywords in text, more links and so on - this one looks weird. My
gut feeling is that googles artificial inteligence is accidentally
tricked here - "pH calculation" are keyword, title (h2 to add some
flavour to other threads 🙂 ) and some inbound links (but probably
not much - I doubt there are links into the middle of the
presentation, when this particular picture is not a crucial point
of the whole lecture). There is no content (one short phrase
"We have three equations that we can combine" - h2 again, probably
used just for formatting aid, not real heading) related to pH
calculation, only picture without even alt text.
Page is probably several years old (it is copyrighted 2001, I recall
seeing it at least about a year ago but I am not 100% sure).

Best,
Borek
--
http://www.chembuddy.com - chemical calculators for labs and education
BATE - Base Acid Titration and Equilibria
program for pH calculations
CASC - Concentration and Solution Calculator
program for solution preparation and concentration conversions

Re: ridiculous search results

On Tue, 24 May 2005 05:26:53 +0200, Stacey
wrote:

> Ahh, but PR of 2 may not be the real PR as I just said the main page has
> a
> PR of 8. 🙂 The page in question for ph calculation can be new and
> backlinks will not show up for it, and any new page that is put up will
> gain
> high position in the rankings because of that.

Page is old (it is dated 2001 - see copyright and the main index.

But I have a new question - how does the PR of main page
(or a domain) translate to subpages? It seems to me that PR is calculated
for every page independently so the fact that nd.edu is 8 doesn't mean
anything for nd.edu/blah/blah/blah/cuckoo - ie anything other that link
from nd.edu to ////cuckoo will be more valuable from other links.
Or am I wrong?

Best,
Borek
--
http://www.chembuddy.com - chemical calculators for labs and education
BATE - Base Acid Titration and Equilibria
program for pH calculations
CASC - Concentration and Solution Calculator
program for solution preparation and concentration conversions

Re: ridiculous search results

"John Bokma" skrev i meddelandet
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> Borek wrote:
>[color=green]
> > http://www.nd.edu/ ~mjm/EG112_module4_lect3/sld018.htm
>
> File not found. Can be that this is recent.[/color]

/seo-expert-help.html

Well, actually, I am also under the impression that Google is not updated!
I have never submited a page to this search engine but it indexed both the
website www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com and
www.italymap.dk
Now, I do not have the latter any more but the search engine still comprises
it in its search results.
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&lr=&q=+site:www.italymap.dk+Scaiecat+Spa+Gigi
Instead it has not included https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com except for a
few pages.
This does not support those who prefer https sites to http sites which means
that I am wondering whether there is need for a new search engine.
Or do you know any search engine on the market which is specialized to give
results from the https sites?

--
Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/faktaomitalien.php

Re: ridiculous search results

On Tue, 24 May 2005 11:11:45 +0200, Borek
wrote:

>On Tue, 24 May 2005 05:00:47 +0200, Fritz M wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I guess the implicit question from Borek is why his pH calculation page
>> at chembuddy.com with PR3 and at least 27 inbound links isn't until
>> page 9 of SERPs on Google, being listed much lower than a zero-content
>> PR2 page with zero inbound links listed.
>
>That's at the bottom of my presence here, but as Stacey pointed out
>my page is relatively new, has low page rank and I lost a lot of
>time not knowing that on-page optimizations can give immediate
>results. So why I am far from the top is not a question - yet 🙂
>
>Right now I am trying to learn something comparing pages with high
>rank to my pages.[/color]

Don't bother to do that with Google as you'll learn more from looking
at the off-page optimisation. With Yahoo and MSN though you can study
the on-page stuff.

BB

--
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seo that watches the river flow...
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Re: Links ph calculations

"davidof" wrote in message
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> Borek wrote:[color=green]
>> On Tue, 24 May 2005 21:25:43 +0200, Stacey
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> That text isn't the one I am speaking of that is indexed. It is the one
>>> where you view the slide in text made and not image. Did you see that
>>> part?
>>
>>
>> No. To be honest I have no idea what you are talking about.[/color]
>
> What Stacey is saying is that there is a companion page with relevant
> text. Now it may be that Google has some logic that knows about PowerPoint
> presentations posted as HTML as the format is fairly standard. I don't
> personally believe this but there was certainly some theming.[/color]

Yes, that is what I was pointing out. You are right there isn't much on the
net with presentations, but I feel that Google found this page some how and
it is relevant to the search no matter how it came to the conclusion! It
would be different if it was a photo of something else and it was some
trickery to gain the SERP.

> Your example is not very good I'm afraid. You typed in pH calculation and
> got a slide, albeit an image, with a pH calculation, however Google ranked
> that page it was a good SERP. What do you want? A link to ebay.com with ph
> Calculators?

Also, like I had pointed out that the main page has a PR of 8. This play a
great deal in the ranking of course.:-)

Stacey

Re: Links ph calculations

"Borek" wrote in message
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>
> http://www.google.com/intl/en/webmasters/guidelines.html
>

"Create a useful, information-rich site and write pages that clearly and
accurately describe your content. "

Isn't that what this whole site is? An information-rich site?

Stacey