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Re: rel="nofollow"

"Big Bill" wrote in message
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> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 17:34:38 +0000 (UTC), "T.J."
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>"Big Bill" wrote in message
>>news:e6o3a1l06mgnlek9c49n9pdorvq27171vc@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 16:34:41 +0000 (UTC), "T.J."
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"John Bokma" wrote in message
>>>>news:Xns966B65A644D77castleamber@130.133.1.4...
>>>>> SEO Dave wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3 Jun 2005 18:26:18 GMT, John Bokma wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In my case the major limit is that I don't want to hire people to do
>>>>> the
>>>>> programming, but want to do it myself. So getting 100 people a month
>>>>> looking for a perl programmer is not in my business plan.
>>>>
>>>>I think this last comment of your sums things up John.
>>>>You are doing a bit of SEO for fun and to help improve your
>>>>perl programming business, For Dave and a few others in
>>>>this group SEO *is* their business.
>>>
>>> Duplicating Shakespeare's most famous recipes isn't exactly seo, it's
>>> just recreating content to get adsense adverts on the pages. That
>>> isn't seo.
>>>
>>
>>Care to explain that further?[/color]
>
> Not being rude, TJ, what don't you get?
>[/color]

No problem Bill, I know you're not being rude,
I don't do flame wars only discussion.
What I don't get is your view that what Dave does
isn't seo.
I see pages as tools when optimising, Dave has found a
legitimate way of creating thousands of pages and can use
these in very useful ways, why would you say that isn't seo?

All his pages are genuine, the content may appear elsewhere
but so what, are we saying now that once something has been
published on one website it should never be published on another?
(as long as it isn't in copyright)

Dave does his optimising in a very similar way to me, I couldn't
care less how many people visit my homepage, I am far more
interested in my products pages being ranked high.
The way I see it is, with the thousands of pages Dave is creating that
opens up the potential for thousands of products pages.

Re: rel="nofollow"

T.J. wrote:

>
> "John Bokma" wrote in message
> news:Xns966B65A644D77castleamber@130.133.1.4...[color=green]
>> SEO Dave wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> On 3 Jun 2005 18:26:18 GMT, John Bokma wrote:
>>[/color]
>
>>
>> In my case the major limit is that I don't want to hire people to do the
>> programming, but want to do it myself. So getting 100 people a month
>> looking for a perl programmer is not in my business plan.
>
> I think this last comment of your sums things up John.
> You are doing a bit of SEO for fun and to help improve your
> perl programming business, For Dave and a few others in
> this group SEO *is* their business.[/color]

I do SEO as part of my business (more tool development related though), but
what I meant is: you can over-seo a site. If I get 100 people every month
who want to hire me, I have a problem unless cloning of humans and fast
growing, and fast teaching machines will be available soon.

There is no such thing as unlimited growth in a business. Dave made it
sound like: add x pages, and you make y more, and there is no limit. Either
I read it wrong, or Dave has problems with basic economics and maths.

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Re: rel="nofollow"

SEO Dave wrote:

> On 4 Jun 2005 14:59:38 GMT, John Bokma wrote:

> LOL, no because it was meant to funny. Didn't you see the implied
> smiley? As you are the inventor of the implied smiley I expected you
> to get it John!

You do me too much honor, I am certainly not the inventor of the implied
smiley. But you use the same dickussion technique as Stacey. When
someone questions what you say, you say it was meant to be funny, or
that the smiley was missed, etc.
[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Seems to me you were comparing what I have, large sites with lots of
>>> traffic vs what you have, small site with far less traffic.
>>
>>So you really think that more traffic always results in more (net)
>>money?[/color]
>
> Where did I say that?[/color]

">to have 10,000 visitors with 100,000 pages, or to have 1,000 visitors
>with 200 pages?

That's easy 10,000 visitors, my bank manager agrees on this one.
"

Oh, wait, that was a funny and silly remark.

> If you want a general answer, then generally yes.

The only valid general answer is: you can't say anything based on those
figures.
[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> And so my answer was in relationship to the site I mentioned earlier
>>> that is large and currently receives 10,000 visitors a day (at least
>>> the last 3 days anyway) vs your site (or a site like yours).
>>
>>It wasn't in the question.[/color]
>
> It was implied :-)[/color]

Then it would have been a rhetorical question, and answering to it makes
you look a bit dumb, don't you think?
[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Would I like a 100,000 page site that's making quite a bit in
>>> advertising revenue from 10,000 visitors a day, or your small
>>> personal site (or similar) with decent traffic, but no real revenue
>>> stream?
>>
>>That would have been a rethorical question.[/color]
>
> If you are sure it's a rhetorical question why state the obvious?[/color]

Hence it isn't.
[color=green]
>>So you found the goose with the golden eggs, and the rest (most) are
>>just trying to go along with small sites?
>
> Found? You mean created a goose with the golden eggs :-)[/color]

Found, yup. Your idea was not original, I think we agreed on that one.
[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> I think he has your telephone number blocked 🙂
>>
>>I don't even have a telephone.[/color]
>
> Is it that bad you can't afford a phone, sorry I didn't realize :-([/color]

Not having something doesn't mean you can't afford it.
[color=green]
>>Yes, but I asked a general question, not a rethorical one.
>
> And you got a general answer. I even used the word generally,[/color]

And in general the only sound answer: there is not enough information to
say which one is better.
[color=green]
>>That in general there is no easy answer. It depends on the kind of
>>business. You make it look as if always the more visitors the better.
>
> I'm meant to believe you had the above thoughts when you posed the
> original question.[/color]

If not, then the question would have been similar to: what is more money
Dave: 100 USD or 1 USD.
[color=green]
>>You forget that there are more costs involved. For example handling of
>>user questions / requests, hiring more people to do the work, etc. I
>>was talking in general.
>
> With the way I do there isn't.[/color]

Which isn't general.
[color=green]
>>In my case the major limit is that I don't want to hire people to do
>>the programming, but want to do it myself. So getting 100 people a
>>month looking for a perl programmer is not in my business plan.
>
> OK that's a fair point, but what I see is a wasted opportunity with
> your PR. As I've said before you might have even more PR than me
> overall since we both have PR7 pages and the difference can be quite
> substantial (you could easily have 4 or 5 times the PR I have or it
> could be the other way around). You don't have to use your resources
> on obtaining more perl related business if you don't want to expand in
> that way. I assume you'd like to make more money though?[/color]

Yup, but I prefer to do it my way. I don't see everybody in this group
downloading free content like crazy, slapping it on a host, etc.

I wonder why is that? They keep it secret? Or am I missing something in
another way?

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Re: SEO Expert (WAS Re: rel="nofollow")

"SEO Dave" wrote in
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[color=green][color=darkred]
> >>Might not be the same elsewhere (I'm not in the US).
> >
> >Amazingly enough, neither am I.[/color]
>
> Ditto, but most of my clients are not from the UK, most are US based.[/color]

Mine are all Australian so I guess I have a slightly different focus. And
they're mostly coporate, so there's no way I can do anything remotely dodgy.
SEO with a halo. No b****y worries, mate.

Re: rel="nofollow"

"John Bokma" wrote in message
news:Xns966BB80BBFD84castleamber@130.133.1.4...
> T.J. wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>> "John Bokma" wrote in message
>> news:Xns966B65A644D77castleamber@130.133.1.4...[color=darkred]
>>> SEO Dave wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3 Jun 2005 18:26:18 GMT, John Bokma wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> In my case the major limit is that I don't want to hire people to do the
>>> programming, but want to do it myself. So getting 100 people a month
>>> looking for a perl programmer is not in my business plan.
>>
>> I think this last comment of your sums things up John.
>> You are doing a bit of SEO for fun and to help improve your
>> perl programming business, For Dave and a few others in
>> this group SEO *is* their business.[/color]
>
> I do SEO as part of my business (more tool development related though),
> but
> what I meant is: you can over-seo a site. If I get 100 people every month
> who want to hire me, I have a problem unless cloning of humans and fast
> growing, and fast teaching machines will be available soon.[/color]

Yes, that is my point.
You are a perl programmer and can only work a set amount of hours
a month, you have no need to try to optimise your site any more than
you have to.
For people like Dave and myself there is no limit, we will never run out
of products to optimise for and can never over-seo a site.

> There is no such thing as unlimited growth in a business. Dave made it
> sound like: add x pages, and you make y more, and there is no limit.
> Either
> I read it wrong, or Dave has problems with basic economics and maths.
>

There may be no such thing as unlimited growth, but do you really think Dave
with his few hundred thousand pages is anywhere near the pinnacle yet?
He has proved what adding a load more pages to his site can do to
increase visitors

Affiliate marketing is all about page impressions, click throughs,
conversion rates and making money.
When you're getting 10's of thousand visitors a day low conversion rates
suddenly become a little less important.
In my opinion, there are 2 ways of doing things;

1. Create a small number of quality, well optimised pages and try to get
high
conversion rates.
2. Simply create thousands of very basic, but well optimised pages
and don't worry too much about conversion rates.

I think Dave would be the first to admit his pages are c**p, he doesn't have
the ability to create pages that will produce high conversion rates and
appears to be using the second option to create a revenue stream.

And yes, I know the original discussion was about seo and not affiliate
marketing, but in my opinion any good seo who is still doing work for
clients rather than for themselves is a mug.

Re: rel="nofollow"

"John Bokma" wrote in message
news:Xns966BB80BBFD84castleamber@130.133.1.4...
> T.J. wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>> "John Bokma" wrote in message
>> news:Xns966B65A644D77castleamber@130.133.1.4...[color=darkred]
>>> SEO Dave wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3 Jun 2005 18:26:18 GMT, John Bokma wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> In my case the major limit is that I don't want to hire people to do the
>>> programming, but want to do it myself. So getting 100 people a month
>>> looking for a perl programmer is not in my business plan.
>>
>> I think this last comment of your sums things up John.
>> You are doing a bit of SEO for fun and to help improve your
>> perl programming business, For Dave and a few others in
>> this group SEO *is* their business.[/color]
>
> I do SEO as part of my business (more tool development related though),
> but
> what I meant is: you can over-seo a site. If I get 100 people every month
> who want to hire me, I have a problem unless cloning of humans and fast
> growing, and fast teaching machines will be available soon.[/color]

Yes, that is my point.
You are a perl programmer and can only work a set amount of hours
a month, you have no need to try to optimise your site any more than
you have to.
For people like Dave and myself there is no limit, we will never run out
of products to optimise for and can never over-seo a site.

> There is no such thing as unlimited growth in a business. Dave made it
> sound like: add x pages, and you make y more, and there is no limit.
> Either
> I read it wrong, or Dave has problems with basic economics and maths.
>

There may be no such thing as unlimited growth, but do you really think Dave
with his few hundred thousand pages is anywhere near the pinnacle yet?
He has proved what adding a load more pages to his site can do to
increase visitors

Affiliate marketing is all about page impressions, click throughs,
conversion rates and making money.
When you're getting 10's of thousand visitors a day low conversion rates
suddenly become a little less important.
In my opinion, there are 2 ways of doing things;

1. Create a small number of quality, well optimised pages and try to get
high
conversion rates.
2. Simply create thousands of very basic, but well optimised pages
and don't worry too much about conversion rates.

I think Dave would be the first to admit his pages are c**p, he doesn't have
the ability to create pages that will produce high conversion rates and
appears to be using the second option to create a revenue stream.

And yes, I know the original discussion was about seo and not affiliate
marketing, but in my opinion any good seo who is still doing work for
clients rather than for themselves is a mug.

Re: rel="nofollow"

T.J. wrote:

> "John Bokma" wrote in message

....

> Yes, that is my point.
> You are a perl programmer and can only work a set amount of hours
> a month, you have no need to try to optimise your site any more than
> you have to.
> For people like Dave and myself there is no limit, we will never run
> out of products to optimise for and can never over-seo a site.

Well, there are of course limits, but yeah, those are probably quite
high.
[color=green]
>> There is no such thing as unlimited growth in a business. Dave made
>> it sound like: add x pages, and you make y more, and there is no
>> limit. Either
>> I read it wrong, or Dave has problems with basic economics and maths.
>
> There may be no such thing as unlimited growth, but do you really
> think Dave with his few hundred thousand pages is anywhere near the
> pinnacle yet?[/color]

No, didn't wrote that 🙂

> In my opinion, there are 2 ways of doing things;
>
> 1. Create a small number of quality, well optimised pages and try to
> get high
> conversion rates.
> 2. Simply create thousands of very basic, but well optimised pages
> and don't worry too much about conversion rates.

Yup, and that was more or less the point of my example: better? 200
pages with 1000 visitors or 100,000 with 10,000. The only right answer
is: can't tell.

> And yes, I know the original discussion was about seo and not
> affiliate marketing, but in my opinion any good seo who is still doing
> work for clients rather than for themselves is a mug.

Depends a bit. I write software that my customers use to make money. I
am just not interested in their way of business. During the gold rush
there were people who found gold, and people who made money by selling
the equipment. The former had a few lucky people, and a lot of failures.
The latter had people who made some money. Not big, but enough to make a
living.

Personally I think what Dave does will end one day. Either more people
jump on the bandwagon, or Google changes here and there (I still haven't
read the TrustRank article). Not a problem if Dave finds soon enough
another way to make money. I know people who did things like this
(moreover, I wrote the s/w for them 🙂 ). Then (quite some time ago)
they made a lot of money. But it ended quite suddenly. No problem if you
have your next operation ready to roll out.

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Re: rel="nofollow"

On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 22:26:47 +0000 (UTC), "T.J."
wrote:

>Dave does his optimising in a very similar way to me, I couldn't
>care less how many people visit my homepage, I am far more
>interested in my products pages being ranked high.
>The way I see it is, with the thousands of pages Dave is creating that
>opens up the potential for thousands of products pages.

T.J gets it Bill 🙂

David

Re: rel="nofollow"

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 21:30:24 GMT, Big Bill
wrote:

>Then you are trying to make a site that can bestow PR by virtue of its
>on-topic size? Does not the fact that it/they are about words/recipes
>rather limit the scope of what you can link to with any relevance?

No it doesn't. The search engine algos aren't that smart (yet).

How many recipe sites do I have? One, so if you were right it
shouldn't rank well at all because the links aren't related.

>BB

David

Re: rel="nofollow"

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 03:59:58 GMT, SEO Dave
wrote:

>On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 21:30:24 GMT, Big Bill
>wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Then you are trying to make a site that can bestow PR by virtue of its
>>on-topic size? Does not the fact that it/they are about words/recipes
>>rather limit the scope of what you can link to with any relevance?
>
>No it doesn't. The search engine algos aren't that smart (yet).
>
>How many recipe sites do I have? One, so if you were right it
>shouldn't rank well at all because the links aren't related.
>
>>BB
>
>David[/color]

I wouldn't have bothered to do it. It's like building a pyramid
that'll fall down any mnute. I remember doing the horses, there's so
much study involved it'd be easier to get a job.

BB
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Re: rel="nofollow"

On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 00:23:37 +0000 (UTC), "T.J."
wrote:

>
>"John Bokma" wrote in message
>news:Xns966BB80BBFD84castleamber@130.133.1.4...[color=green]
>> T.J. wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "John Bokma" wrote in message
>>> news:Xns966B65A644D77castleamber@130.133.1.4...
>>>> SEO Dave wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3 Jun 2005 18:26:18 GMT, John Bokma wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In my case the major limit is that I don't want to hire people to do the
>>>> programming, but want to do it myself. So getting 100 people a month
>>>> looking for a perl programmer is not in my business plan.
>>>
>>> I think this last comment of your sums things up John.
>>> You are doing a bit of SEO for fun and to help improve your
>>> perl programming business, For Dave and a few others in
>>> this group SEO *is* their business.
>>
>> I do SEO as part of my business (more tool development related though),
>> but
>> what I meant is: you can over-seo a site. If I get 100 people every month
>> who want to hire me, I have a problem unless cloning of humans and fast
>> growing, and fast teaching machines will be available soon.[/color]
>
>
>Yes, that is my point.
>You are a perl programmer and can only work a set amount of hours
>a month, you have no need to try to optimise your site any more than
>you have to.
>For people like Dave and myself there is no limit, we will never run out
>of products to optimise for and can never over-seo a site.[/color]

You don't have a screen with a picture of the world in front of you
and a fluffy white cat on your lap, do you? No, of course, you dont.
Dunno what made me think that.

BB
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Re: rel="nofollow"

On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 22:26:47 +0000 (UTC), "T.J."
wrote:

>
>"Big Bill" wrote in message
>news:e864a15gv62765ntfe1jqo5mb4m4jgk61i@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 17:34:38 +0000 (UTC), "T.J."
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>"Big Bill" wrote in message
>>>news:e6o3a1l06mgnlek9c49n9pdorvq27171vc@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 16:34:41 +0000 (UTC), "T.J."
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"John Bokma" wrote in message
>>>>>news:Xns966B65A644D77castleamber@130.133.1.4...
>>>>>> SEO Dave wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3 Jun 2005 18:26:18 GMT, John Bokma wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my case the major limit is that I don't want to hire people to do
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> programming, but want to do it myself. So getting 100 people a month
>>>>>> looking for a perl programmer is not in my business plan.
>>>>>
>>>>>I think this last comment of your sums things up John.
>>>>>You are doing a bit of SEO for fun and to help improve your
>>>>>perl programming business, For Dave and a few others in
>>>>>this group SEO *is* their business.
>>>>
>>>> Duplicating Shakespeare's most famous recipes isn't exactly seo, it's
>>>> just recreating content to get adsense adverts on the pages. That
>>>> isn't seo.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Care to explain that further?
>>
>> Not being rude, TJ, what don't you get?
>>[/color]
>
>No problem Bill, I know you're not being rude,
>I don't do flame wars only discussion.
>What I don't get is your view that what Dave does
>isn't seo.
>I see pages as tools when optimising, Dave has found a
>legitimate way of creating thousands of pages and can use
>these in very useful ways, why would you say that isn't seo?
>
>All his pages are genuine, the content may appear elsewhere
>but so what, are we saying now that once something has been
>published on one website it should never be published on another?
>(as long as it isn't in copyright)
>
>Dave does his optimising in a very similar way to me, I couldn't
>care less how many people visit my homepage, I am far more
>interested in my products pages being ranked high.
>The way I see it is, with the thousands of pages Dave is creating that
>opens up the potential for thousands of products pages.[/color]

All this based purely on the transfer of PR? Couldn't anyone do this?
Build giant sites about nothing much really and transfer the PR?

BB

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Re: rel="nofollow"

"Big Bill" wrote in message
news:d2d5a1tbkjkc3nt063f8go7d78hp3gr1a2@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 22:26:47 +0000 (UTC), "T.J."
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>"Big Bill" wrote in message
>>news:e864a15gv62765ntfe1jqo5mb4m4jgk61i@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 17:34:38 +0000 (UTC), "T.J."
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Big Bill" wrote in message
>>>>news:e6o3a1l06mgnlek9c49n9pdorvq27171vc@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 16:34:41 +0000 (UTC), "T.J."
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"John Bokma" wrote in message
>>>>>>news:Xns966B65A644D77castleamber@130.133.1.4...
>>>>>>> SEO Dave wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3 Jun 2005 18:26:18 GMT, John Bokma
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my case the major limit is that I don't want to hire people to do
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> programming, but want to do it myself. So getting 100 people a month
>>>>>>> looking for a perl programmer is not in my business plan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think this last comment of your sums things up John.
>>>>>>You are doing a bit of SEO for fun and to help improve your
>>>>>>perl programming business, For Dave and a few others in
>>>>>>this group SEO *is* their business.
>>>>>
>>>>> Duplicating Shakespeare's most famous recipes isn't exactly seo, it's
>>>>> just recreating content to get adsense adverts on the pages. That
>>>>> isn't seo.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Care to explain that further?
>>>
>>> Not being rude, TJ, what don't you get?
>>>
>>
>>No problem Bill, I know you're not being rude,
>>I don't do flame wars only discussion.
>>What I don't get is your view that what Dave does
>>isn't seo.
>>I see pages as tools when optimising, Dave has found a
>>legitimate way of creating thousands of pages and can use
>>these in very useful ways, why would you say that isn't seo?
>>
>>All his pages are genuine, the content may appear elsewhere
>>but so what, are we saying now that once something has been
>>published on one website it should never be published on another?
>>(as long as it isn't in copyright)
>>
>>Dave does his optimising in a very similar way to me, I couldn't
>>care less how many people visit my homepage, I am far more
>>interested in my products pages being ranked high.
>>The way I see it is, with the thousands of pages Dave is creating that
>>opens up the potential for thousands of products pages.[/color]
>
> All this based purely on the transfer of PR? Couldn't anyone do this?
> Build giant sites about nothing much really and transfer the PR?
>
> BB
>[/color]

I think he's starting to get it Dave ;o)

Re: rel="nofollow"

"John Bokma" wrote in message
news:Xns966BC89F51AFDcastleamber@130.133.1.4...
> T.J. wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "John Bokma" wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>> Yes, that is my point.
>> You are a perl programmer and can only work a set amount of hours
>> a month, you have no need to try to optimise your site any more than
>> you have to.
>> For people like Dave and myself there is no limit, we will never run
>> out of products to optimise for and can never over-seo a site.
>
> Well, there are of course limits, but yeah, those are probably quite
> high.
>[color=darkred]
>>> There is no such thing as unlimited growth in a business. Dave made
>>> it sound like: add x pages, and you make y more, and there is no
>>> limit. Either
>>> I read it wrong, or Dave has problems with basic economics and maths.
>>
>> There may be no such thing as unlimited growth, but do you really
>> think Dave with his few hundred thousand pages is anywhere near the
>> pinnacle yet?[/color]
>
> No, didn't wrote that 🙂
>
>> In my opinion, there are 2 ways of doing things;
>>
>> 1. Create a small number of quality, well optimised pages and try to
>> get high
>> conversion rates.
>> 2. Simply create thousands of very basic, but well optimised pages
>> and don't worry too much about conversion rates.
>
> Yup, and that was more or less the point of my example: better? 200
> pages with 1000 visitors or 100,000 with 10,000. The only right answer
> is: can't tell.
>
>> And yes, I know the original discussion was about seo and not
>> affiliate marketing, but in my opinion any good seo who is still doing
>> work for clients rather than for themselves is a mug.
>
> Depends a bit. I write software that my customers use to make money. I
> am just not interested in their way of business. During the gold rush
> there were people who found gold, and people who made money by selling
> the equipment. The former had a few lucky people, and a lot of failures.
> The latter had people who made some money. Not big, but enough to make a
> living.
>
> Personally I think what Dave does will end one day. Either more people
> jump on the bandwagon, or Google changes here and there (I still haven't
> read the TrustRank article). Not a problem if Dave finds soon enough
> another way to make money. I know people who did things like this
> (moreover, I wrote the s/w for them 🙂 ). Then (quite some time ago)
> they made a lot of money. But it ended quite suddenly. No problem if you
> have your next operation ready to roll out.
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I agree it could end anytime, Dave could wake up any morning and be
gone from Google completely, which is another good reason to do things
as quick as possible, strike whilst the iron is hot.

I think both me and Dave agree with you.
200 quality pages bringing in 1000 quality visitors can be equally as good
as 100,000 pages bringing in 10,000 visitors it's just Dave appears to
chose to do things the second way.
Once he has all the pages set up and bringing in revenue, if he has any
sense
he will then bring in a design team to work on the most productive
pages and have the best of both worlds.

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T.J. wrote:

> I think both me and Dave agree with you.
> 200 quality pages bringing in 1000 quality visitors can be equally as
> good as 100,000 pages bringing in 10,000 visitors it's just Dave
> appears to chose to do things the second way.

I even get the impression that if someone doesn't do it his way, he/she
does it wrong / has no clue about SEO. There are just two ways, one slow
one, which might be more stable, and the grab what you can while it lasts.

I have, ages ago, helped someone with the latter. It lasted a month... Ok,
that month he made a lot of money, but the next and the next, almost
nothing.

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