A list of directories posted here

Re: A list of directories posted here

ca.yahoo.com free submission still active

mark

"Mikkel M?ldrup-Lakjer" wrote in message
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>
> "davidof" skrev i en meddelelse
> news:429d7ad9$0$303$7a628cd7@news.c**b-internet.fr...[color=green]
> > Mikkel Moldrup-Lakjer wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >>
> >> Is this for sure? If Google disregards directories, will there still
> >> be good reason to pay $200+ for a listing in the Yahoo! directory?
> >
> > was there ever a good reason to pay Yahoo $200?[/color]
>
> I sincerely doubt it!
>
> No, I have not paid 🙂
>
> I was surprised to see that my page had reached PageRank 4 without me
> doing anything to promote it, really, except submitting it to the DMOZ
> directory. Maybe the DMOZ is the reason.
>
> Mikkel
> --
> Study Spanish in Guatemala
> http://lakjer.dk/mikkel/spanish.shtml
> Excellent tuitino and social involvement
>
>
>
>[/color]

Re: A list of directories posted here

On 31 May 2005 15:16:23 -0700, [email]mikkelml@gmail.com[/email] (Mikkel
Moldrup-Lakjer) wrote:

>Roy Schestowitz wrote in message news:...[color=green]
>>
>> What's more, I wanted to mention that Google exclude (or are about to
>> exclude) directories from their engine. Who knows if Yahoo and MSN will
>> soon follow. I find it hard to believe that more than a handful of people,
>> real people, will actually /follow/ links from these directories.
>
>Is this for sure? If Google disregards directories, will there still
>be good reason to pay $200+ for a listing in the Yahoo! directory?
>
>Mikkel
>
>Guide til Guatemala:
> http://lakjer.dk/mikkel/ [/color]

Nothing is for sure until some time after it's happened.

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Re: A list of directories posted here

mark | r wrote:

> ca.yahoo.com free submission still active

The directory of use only if your business or site is somehow affiliated
with Canada. It appear so anyway.

> "Mikkel M?ldrup-Lakjer" wrote in message
> news:429d806a$0$18638$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...[color=green]
>>
>>
>> "davidof" skrev i en meddelelse
>> news:429d7ad9$0$303$7a628cd7@news.c**b-internet.fr...[color=darkred]
>> > Mikkel Moldrup-Lakjer wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Is this for sure? If Google disregards directories, will there still
>> >> be good reason to pay $200+ for a listing in the Yahoo! directory?
>> >
>> > was there ever a good reason to pay Yahoo $200?
>>
>> I sincerely doubt it!
>>
>> No, I have not paid :-)[/color][/color]

The smile of a man who has seen others paying $200 in vain. If popularity
could be bought so easily, something would definitely be wrong.
[color=green]
>> I was surprised to see that my page had reached PageRank 4 without me
>> doing anything to promote it, really, except submitting it to the DMOZ
>> directory. Maybe the DMOZ is the reason.[/color]

I heard about people whose sites got PR4 because of some fundamental links
that they were not even aware of. I am not very surprised and it might not
be owing to DMOZ.
[color=green]
>> Mikkel
>> --
>> Study Spanish in Guatemala
>> http://lakjer.dk/mikkel/spanish.shtml
>> Excellent tuitino and social involvement[/color]

Mark, your E-mail/NNTP client does not omit signatures. It appears to 'eat'
that whitespace after the dashes too, which then affects follow-ups.

Roy

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Re: A list of directories posted here

Roy Schestowitz wrote:
> Jez wrote:
>
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>What's more, I wanted to mention that Google exclude (or are about to
>>>exclude) directories from their engine.
>>
>>Roy, would you mind quoting a source for the above information please?
>>
>>That would be a very dramatic U turn for google as it seems to prefer
>>directories above all else in some SERPs.
>>
>>Jez.[/color]
>
>
> It took me like 5 minutes to find the URL for you, but here it is:[/color]

Thanks for finding that Roy. I appreciate your time!

It's very interesting and I wouldn't mind betting that the root of this
is what is disrupting sites hit by "bourbon". Changing the weight given
to directory listings and clones of DMOZ.

Re: A list of directories posted here

Jez wrote:

> Roy Schestowitz wrote:[color=green]
>> Jez wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>>What's more, I wanted to mention that Google exclude (or are about to
>>>>exclude) directories from their engine.
>>>
>>>Roy, would you mind quoting a source for the above information please?
>>>
>>>That would be a very dramatic U turn for google as it seems to prefer
>>>directories above all else in some SERPs.
>>>
>>>Jez.
>>
>>
>> It took me like 5 minutes to find the URL for you, but here it is:[/color]
>
> Thanks for finding that Roy. I appreciate your time!
>
> It's very interesting and I wouldn't mind betting that the root of this
> is what is disrupting sites hit by "bourbon". Changing the weight given
> to directory listings and clones of DMOZ.[/color]

The reason I oppose this is two-fold:

1. The original writers have nothing to protect them from this plagiarism.
If some lady in Berkshire wrote in her Geocities homepage about how to cook
blackberry pie and she then found a copy on a PR7 dot com site, would she
sue?

2. Search engines penalise for duplicates. How will the SE's know which one
is the original? It is more likely that the Geocities page is owned by a
low-profile person who mirrored a popular page.

It is easy to get visitors to a site. One can just automatically archive
newsgroups, but where has all the fun gone?

Roy

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Re: A list of directories posted here

Roy Schestowitz wrote:

> Jez wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Jez wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>What's more, I wanted to mention that Google exclude (or are about to
>>>>>exclude) directories from their engine.
>>>>
>>>>Roy, would you mind quoting a source for the above information please?
>>>>
>>>>That would be a very dramatic U turn for google as it seems to prefer
>>>>directories above all else in some SERPs.
>>>>
>>>>Jez.
>>>
>>>
>>> It took me like 5 minutes to find the URL for you, but here it is:
>>
>> Thanks for finding that Roy. I appreciate your time!
>>
>> It's very interesting and I wouldn't mind betting that the root of this
>> is what is disrupting sites hit by "bourbon". Changing the weight given
>> to directory listings and clones of DMOZ.[/color]
>
> The reason I oppose this is two-fold:
>
> 1. The original writers have nothing to protect them from this plagiarism.
> If some lady in Berkshire wrote in her Geocities homepage about how to
> cook blackberry pie and she then found a copy on a PR7 dot com site, would
> she sue?
>
> 2. Search engines penalise for duplicates. How will the SE's know which
> one is the original? It is more likely that the Geocities page is owned by
> a low-profile person who mirrored a popular page.
>
> It is easy to get visitors to a site. One can just automatically archive
> newsgroups, but where has all the fun gone?
>
> Roy[/color]

Oops. I was consciously referring to a different thread titled 'Page Rank is
back' from May 30th. I think that my arguments still hold though.

Roy

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Re: A list of directories posted here

Roy Schestowitz wrote:

> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>Jez wrote:
>>
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>
>>>>Jez wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>What's more, I wanted to mention that Google exclude (or are about to
>>>>>>exclude) directories from their engine.
>>>>>
>>>>>Roy, would you mind quoting a source for the above information please?
>>>>>
>>>>>That would be a very dramatic U turn for google as it seems to prefer
>>>>>directories above all else in some SERPs.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jez.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It took me like 5 minutes to find the URL for you, but here it is:
>>>
>>>Thanks for finding that Roy. I appreciate your time!
>>>
>>>It's very interesting and I wouldn't mind betting that the root of this
>>>is what is disrupting sites hit by "bourbon". Changing the weight given
>>>to directory listings and clones of DMOZ.
>>
>>The reason I oppose this is two-fold:
>>
>>1. The original writers have nothing to protect them from this plagiarism.
>>If some lady in Berkshire wrote in her Geocities homepage about how to
>>cook blackberry pie and she then found a copy on a PR7 dot com site, would
>>she sue?
>>
>>2. Search engines penalise for duplicates. How will the SE's know which
>>one is the original? It is more likely that the Geocities page is owned by
>>a low-profile person who mirrored a popular page.
>>
>>It is easy to get visitors to a site. One can just automatically archive
>>newsgroups, but where has all the fun gone?
>>
>>Roy[/color]
>
>
> Oops. I was consciously referring to a different thread titled 'Page Rank is
> back' from May 30th. I think that my arguments still hold though.
>
> Roy
>[/color]

Lol, I wondered what you were on about

Re: A list of directories posted here

Jez wrote:
[color=green]
>> Oops. I was consciously referring to a different thread titled 'Page Rank
>> is back' from May 30th. I think that my arguments still hold though.
>>
>> Roy
>>
>
> Lol, I wondered what you were on about[/color]

Just attacking the grey-hat SEO of this newsgroups. It gives us all a bad
rep.

Roy

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Re: A list of directories posted here

On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:20:06 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
> The reason I oppose this is two-fold:
>
> 1. The original writers have nothing to protect them from this plagiarism.
> If some lady in Berkshire wrote in her Geocities homepage about how to cook
> blackberry pie and she then found a copy on a PR7 dot com site, would she
> sue?

What is the copyright license on these recipes?

> 2. Search engines penalise for duplicates. How will the SE's know which one
> is the original? It is more likely that the Geocities page is owned by a
> low-profile person who mirrored a popular page.

I would appreciate some clarification here.

How do SE's identify duplicates?

That's a pretty difficult task, given that sites wrap content with
their own headers/footers/banners etc etc.

I have some wikipedia content at a site of mine (in full compliance
with their license), so this issue is quite relevant to me.

Thanks!

i

Re: A list of directories posted here

"Roy Schestowitz" skrev i en meddelelse
news:d7kcvg$2kpj$1@godfrey.mcc.ac.uk...
>
> The smile of a man who has seen others paying $200 in vain. If
> popularity
> could be bought so easily, something would definitely be wrong.

I do not mean to be scornful, but yes it would be unfair if it was only
a question of money.
[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> --
>>> Study Spanish in Guatemala
>>> http://lakjer.dk/mikkel/spanish.shtml
>>> Excellent tuitino and social involvement[/color]
>
> Mark, your E-mail/NNTP client does not omit signatures. It appears to
> 'eat'
> that whitespace after the dashes too, which then affects follow-ups.[/color]

Hey, I would complain that Marks client did not correct the typo in my
signature either 😉

Mikkel

Re: A list of directories posted here

"Jez" skrev i en meddelelse
news:3g5rt0FanooeU1@individual.net...
>
> It's very interesting and I wouldn't mind betting that the root of
> this is what is disrupting sites hit by "bourbon". Changing the weight
> given to directory listings and clones of DMOZ.

But the URL posted by Roy does not say that the entire directories will
be ignored for the calculation of PR, only that some specific
directories (some to do with SEO) will be ignored.

Mikkel
--
Study Spanish in Guatemala
http://lakjer.dk/mikkel/spanish.shtml
Excellent tuition and social involvement

Re: A list of directories posted here

Ignoramus31151 wrote:

> On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:20:06 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
> wrote:[color=green]
>> The reason I oppose this is two-fold:
>>
>> 1. The original writers have nothing to protect them from this
>> plagiarism. If some lady in Berkshire wrote in her Geocities homepage
>> about how to cook blackberry pie and she then found a copy on a PR7 dot
>> com site, would she sue?
>
> What is the copyright license on these recipes?[/color]

It is a matter of ethics rather than pre-defined law. However, it can be
taken further if needed and handled juridically, I think.

Hypothetical example: If I was in the process of writing a thesis and
somebody scooped it off a temporary directory of mine to then edit and
publish it, would that be law breaking? Probably no because it was yet
unpublished.

[color=green]
>> 2. Search engines penalise for duplicates. How will the SE's know which
>> one is the original? It is more likely that the Geocities page is owned
>> by a low-profile person who mirrored a popular page.
>
> I would appreciate some clarification here.
>
> How do SE's identify duplicates?[/color]

I don't know, _but_...

I have an easy way to check if content is original and I know academic use
it to detect plagiarism. You just take an entire key sentence and paste it
into Google et al. You then see if the sentence matches elsewhere and then
follow the sentences around it. Apply, rinse, and repeat if necessary.

> That's a pretty difficult task, given that sites wrap content with
> their own headers/footers/banners etc etc.
>
> I have some wikipedia content at a site of mine (in full compliance
> with their license), so this issue is quite relevant to me.

With Wikipedia you are probably 100% safe. I'd still encourage you to have a
site that reflects on your knowledge. It will make you feel better, trust
me.

Roy

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Re: A list of directories posted here

"Mikkel M?ldrup-Lakjer" wrote in message
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> "Jez" skrev i en meddelelse
> news:3g5rt0FanooeU1@individual.net...[color=green]
>>
>> It's very interesting and I wouldn't mind betting that the root of this
>> is what is disrupting sites hit by "bourbon". Changing the weight given
>> to directory listings and clones of DMOZ.
>
> But the URL posted by Roy does not say that the entire directories will be
> ignored for the calculation of PR, only that some specific directories
> (some to do with SEO) will be ignored.[/color]

I posted in this thread earlier. Take a look at some Google directories. See
if you see any PR. The Google directories are mirrors of the DMOZ. DMOZ
appears to still have PR.

Stacey

Re: A list of directories posted here

On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:53:42 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
> Ignoramus31151 wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:20:06 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
>> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> The reason I oppose this is two-fold:
>>>
>>> 1. The original writers have nothing to protect them from this
>>> plagiarism. If some lady in Berkshire wrote in her Geocities homepage
>>> about how to cook blackberry pie and she then found a copy on a PR7 dot
>>> com site, would she sue?
>>
>> What is the copyright license on these recipes?[/color]
>
>
> It is a matter of ethics rather than pre-defined law. However, it can be
> taken further if needed and handled juridically, I think.
>
> Hypothetical example: If I was in the process of writing a thesis and
> somebody scooped it off a temporary directory of mine to then edit and
> publish it, would that be law breaking? Probably no because it was yet
> unpublished.[/color]

As a matter of fact, that's incorrect. Copyright is created at the
moment of creation, not when the item is published. So stealing
someone's unfinished copy is a violation of copyright.

>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> 2. Search engines penalise for duplicates. How will the SE's know which
>>> one is the original? It is more likely that the Geocities page is owned
>>> by a low-profile person who mirrored a popular page.
>>
>> I would appreciate some clarification here.
>>
>> How do SE's identify duplicates?[/color]
>
>
> I don't know, _but_...
>
> I have an easy way to check if content is original and I know academic use
> it to detect plagiarism. You just take an entire key sentence and paste it
> into Google et al. You then see if the sentence matches elsewhere and then
> follow the sentences around it. Apply, rinse, and repeat if necessary.
>[/color]

Good point.
[color=green]
>> That's a pretty difficult task, given that sites wrap content with
>> their own headers/footers/banners etc etc.
>>
>> I have some wikipedia content at a site of mine (in full compliance
>> with their license), so this issue is quite relevant to me.
>
>
> With Wikipedia you are probably 100% safe. I'd still encourage you to have a
> site that reflects on your knowledge. It will make you feel better, trust
> me.[/color]

I have that, also. You made a good point though.

i

Re: A list of directories posted here

"Stacey" skrev i en meddelelse
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>
> I posted in this thread earlier. Take a look at some Google
> directories. See if you see any PR. The Google directories are mirrors
> of the DMOZ. DMOZ appears to still have PR.

I do not know if we understand each other correctly, but the fact that
these directories _themselves_ show to have PR does not mean that their
PR necessarily benefits the pages that they include in their listings,
right?

Mikkel